10.2.08

Manchester United - Remembering the victims of the Munich Air Crash (The Bubsy Babes)

WARNING : LONG FOOTBALL RELATED POST
I remember the second time I went to watch a competitive match at Anfield. It was Liverpool v. Ipswich town, 3rd round in the league cup, back in 2002. The match ended in a draw, and Liverpool won on penalties. I sat close to the Ipswich fans with a friend of mine, and there was a brief moment when I thought things would kick off, but fortunately, the police/stewards sorted things out. Anyway, after the match, as we were leaving, we came across a group of Ipswich fans. In my 'Nigerian boy' attitude, I started to taunt them. Liverpool fans around me told me off immediately. "That's not how we treat people" was among the phrases I heard that night. The message was clear, and I learnt a valuable lesson about supporting the greatest club in the world.

Liverpool fans might have a bad reputation from the past, however, things have changed. Liverpool fans respect visiting fans, and applaud other teams when they deserve it. When Havant and Waterloovile gave us a cracking match a few weeks ago, Liverpool fans gave them a standing ovation. One of the first things you see when you sit down in the stadium are signs saying foul language is not allowed. I've only ever attended a friendly and two league cup matches, so you could argue that the crowd I've sat with are not the normal Liverpool matchday crowd. But on all three occasions, the behaviour was immaculate.

Today, Manchester United finished off their week remembering the Bubsy Babes with a league match. They had planned to have a minute's silence before the match began, but unfortunately for them, the match was against local rivals Manchester City. All week long, Man City fans have been urged to respect the minute's silence. They even blackmailed them, reminding them that Frank Swift, a former Man City keeper also died on the flight. Fortunately, the minute's silence was immaculately observed. Manchester City then decided to be very bad visitors, and beat their hosts in the match 2-1. Personally, I was pleased to see that. I find that it was poetic justice. Manchester City fans have been the target of some venomous chants from Manchester United for years.

Before I go into that in more detail, let me tell you another story. A friend of mine, a fellow Liverpool fan, who lived in Leicester was lucky to get a ticket to watch Leicester City against Manchester United. What got to him was the way the Man U supporters insulted Leciester fans throughout the match, and to rub salt in their wounds, they won it. "We're got a stand bigger than your stadium" was one of the more polite chants. And of course, they inserted a random insult to Liverpool and Manchester City every few minutes. That was the day he started to hate United.

And that is what gets to me. Manchester Untied was expecting Man city fans to behave themselves today, however, they are probably the worst fans when it comes to respecting other teams. No matter who they are playing they pour out poison from the terraces about Liverpool, Manchester City, and any one else.

Tune: Oh my darling Clementine
Build a bonfire,
Build a bonfire,
Put the Scousers on the top,
Put City in the middle,
And we'll burn the f*cking lot

My younger brother who supports United when to Old Trafford to watch them play West Brom. When he got back, he had learnt so may songs insulting Liverpool, and Manchester City, including the one above. But why do they find it necessary to insult Liverpool and City all the time? I've been to a few Liverpool matches, and the worst I've seen was in a friendly against Lazio, every time Japp Stam (former United player) touched the play, he was booed, but that was it. And when the other cup results were announced, a loud cheer if Man U lost.


Today, Manchester United fans expected Man City fans to be on their best behaviour, and thankfully, they were. However, I feel they need to look at themselves, if it was them on the other end, would they do it. Whenever Liverpool sing about winning the champions league 5 times, Man United tell us that they may have only won it twice, but they didn't kill anyone.



Liverpool
We won it five times (2ce)
In Istanbul, we won it five times


Manchester United reply
We've won it two times (2ce)
Without killing anyone, we won it two times.

Personally, I think this is pretty distasteful. If Man U was visiting Liverpool when we were remembering the Hillsborough victims? I don't think so.


In conclusion, and with respect to the dead, Manchester United must have heaved a sigh of relief when no one interrupted the minute's silence today. However, while those great players whose lives were cut short deserve every honour, Manchester United fans do not.


I leave you with a selection of songs from the Man United terraces:



tune: this is how it feels (Inspiral Carpets)
This is how it feels to be City
This is how it feels to be small
This is how it feels when your team wins nothing at all
Nothing at all...


Tune : Land of hope and glory
We hate Nottingham Forest,
We hate Liverpool too, (and Leeds),
We hate Manchester City,
But United we love you - altogether now...


Tune : Daydream Believer
Cheer up Kevin Keegan,
Oh what can it mean,
to a Sad Geordie b*stard,
and a Sh*te football team.




Tune : If you're happy and you know it...
If you all hate the scousers clap your hands




In the Liverpool slums,
They knock on the door when they want something to eat,
They find a dead rat and they think it's a treat,
In the Liverpool slums...


In the Liverpool slums,
Your Mum's on the beat and your Dad's in the nick,
You can't find a job 'coz you're too f*ckin' thick,
In the Liverpool slums...




Tune : Let them know it's Christmas time..
Feed the scousers,
Let them know it's Christmas time...
Feed the scousers,
Let them know it's Christmas time...


Tune : Don't Dilly Dally on the way
My old man, said "be a city fan",
I said "f*ck off, you're a c*nt!",
"I'd rather shag a bucket with a big hole in it,
Than be a city fan for just one minute".


With hatchets and hammers,
Stanley knives and spanners,
We'll show those city b*stards how to fight (how to fight),
"I'd rather shag a bucket with a big hole in it,
Than be a city fan! (all together now)".


Tune : He's got the whole world in his hands
They've got the tallest floodlights in the Football League,
They've got the tallest floodlights in the Football League.
They've got the tallest floodlights in the Football League
Oh city are a massive club!


Other verses include...
They've got the widest pitch, in the land.
They signed George Weah but he thought they played in red.
They had a derby match with Macclesfield.
Their best ever player played for Ajax reserves.
At last count, they are over 2000 different verses for this song.


P.S. In the days gone by, songs about the Munich Air Crash ('Who's that dying on the runway...?') were sang tastelessly by Liverpool fans with responses aimed at Shankly's death ('Who's that dying on the carpet...?') from the United fans. After the Hillsborough Disaster, Liverpool fans stopped singing about Munich, so United fans chanted, 'Where's Your Famous Munich Song?'.

14 comments:

  1. **Beware long comment!**

    hey there bro..wow i remember that match we went to ..but cant remember that incident of you getting told off ...err selective memory from me perhaps..wow i didnt realise that man u just sang about others all the time..and i do agree that in the past liverpool fans have been bad as well but we have most definitely changed..do u remember the really funny chap behind us who told kirkland .."anywhere in that direction lad would be fine ..".which just made us nearly cry with laughter..:-) ahh the good times..

    As for all the hateful songs of Man U..wow didnt realise there were that many and all absolutely spiteful..we r liverpool matey..n we are better than that...i must admit felt disgusted reading some of the chants..n didnt know of the leicester city incident that our friend had...truly abhorrent and shocking ..
    ofcourse the Busby babes lost their lives in a tragic way and those great players should be remembered and man city did really do well to observe the silence which tells us more about Man City fans n their behaviour doesnt it ...inspite of all the crap they have taken -they were classy enough to respect the dead...hmm wonder if United fans would have been the same....you know where my answer would be..
    So onto the greatest club on earth in our eyes- who managaed a draw last night which i thought was more than they would get-they actually shud have won it in the end..but hey the wonderful roller coaster ride that is reds season continues..
    In closing...one phrase says it all for us ..You will never walk alone ..indeed we shall strive to never indeed!YNWA!!

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  2. Ok, I cannot let this go without saying anything. Man Utd fans sing songs about City and Liverool, but I must say that in my opinion, my brother exaggerates the degree to which this happens. Many other teams in the league have anti-United songs... 'Who the f*ck are Man United' is probably one of the more famous ones. Went I went to the game at Old Trafford (and it was Wigan)... sure we sang some of those songs, but for the most part, we were singing about our team. I've never been to Anfield, but I'm pretty certain that it's not as 'nice' as Boso says. In his own admission, he never went for a league game so he hasn't been with the regular match day crowd. The rivalry between teams is inevitable and it will boil over into some off color chants from time to time. But this is in NO WAY a problem that is peculiar to Man United.
    I cannot ignore this holier that thou stance!
    See you on Saturday bro ;-)

    Omo Nyja's last blog post..Is it Nigeria or Niger?

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  3. *waves at Sppadic*
    Boso, I smiled at your forewarning. And I heeded it, seeing as my knowledge of football would fit on the head of a pin with room to spare.

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  4. Anfield is a unique and awe inspiring place especially for european nights as well as fa cup and premiership games..and having been to all kinds of games at anfield -let me tell you for certain that as far as i remember most if not all the time we spent singing songs about istanbul- the FIVE TIMES Song or the stevie gerrard song or any other player songs and ofcourse theres the eternal fan favourite- fields of anfield road..as well as poor scouser tommy..to name a couple-i cannot claim to remember every moment - but i can safely say that I hardly remember the united hating song being sung ...its not a holier than thou stance- i think it has to do with the fact that LFC fans have got some great songs about ourselves to sing to waste time n effort singing bout anyone else..:-)

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  6. I can't remember when this was ('86 or '89, I think), but following a derby FA cup final, Liverpool and Everton toured the city in the same bus. This would be unthinkable with any other two local rivals.

    And I note that you missed the tune out from one of the songs. I know "In the Liverpool Slums" as "In My Liverpool Home", personally. Do you know it?

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  7. Could someone please remind what the munich songs went like? greatly appreciated.

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  8. Is this a joke post or an attempt at a wind up?
    I'm a Man United fan and for years and years we had to put up with Munich chanting from Liverpool supporters (and numerous other clubs including Man City and Leeds). Then as soon as Hillsborough happened (which was a genuine tragedy by the way) it was 'out of order' to bring stuff like that into the footballing arena!
    Now personally I think that anyone who sings about stuff like that is wrong, it shouldn't have a place in football, but for Liverpool fans to have a go at Man United fans is incredibly hypocritical.
    Add to this fact that the Hillsborough disaster was caused by Liverpool's own fans, who despite being told not to attend if they didn't have tickets, did anyway and then rushed through to the stadium when gates were opened. I think that gives a general idea of how Liverpool fans behave.

    And also, just so you know, when United fans sing "without killing anyone" they are referring to the Heysel stadium disaster which was also caused by Liverpool's brilliant fans charging Italian men, WOMEN and CHILDREN. It resulted in the death of 39 people who'd just gone to see a game of football and got all British clubs banned from european football for 6 years.

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  9. Andy4Fingers are you serious?? Dont come on posting opinions that are unbelievably wrong. I think you should read up on the hillsborough disaster before you start pointing the blame at liverpool fans. Typical united attitude...'must have been their fans causing trouble'. You are an idiot!! FACT

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  10. Well according to this thread on a Liverpool fans forum Munich58 was being sung at Anfield in August 2008.

    http://onthekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=10400.0

    Classless, just as are United fans who sing about Hillsborough and Heysel

    Rich (Man United fan)

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  11. Edit above:

    Liverpool fans singing at Ibrox.

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  12. Hang on a minute Collie. Let me first reiterate that Hillsborough was an absolute tragedy, a dark day in football's history that I hope is never repeated. That being said I know the official report pointed out failures in police control but ultimately, if Liverpool's fans (the ones who turned up late, without tickets or drunk - and in fairness the accounts differ about the numbers) hadn't been pushing to get into the ground, the gate would never have been opened by the police. The police only reacted (incorrectly in my opinion) to a situation that was caused by a minority of Liverpool fans.
    To deny any Liverpool fan's were at fault is naive and dangerous - just look at the problems at the Athens European Cup final where thousands of ticketless Liverpool fans almost caused another disaster!

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  13. fgdfher about the numbers) hadn’t been pushing to get into the ground, the gate would never have been opened by the police. The police only reacted (incorrectly in my opinion) to a situation that was caused by a minority of Liverpool fans.
    To deny any Liverpool fan’s were at fault is naive and danger

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